Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/09/2004 11:01 AM House EDU

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SB 289-EXTENDING THE SPECIAL ED SERVICE AGENCY                                                                                
Number 0050                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTO announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
SENATE BILL  NO. 289, "An  Act extending the termination  date of                                                               
the  special  education  service  agency; and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0128                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JACQUELINE  TUPOU,  Staff to  Senator  Lyda  Green, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  testified on  SB 289  on behalf  of Senator  Green,                                                               
sponsor of SB 289.  She told the  members that SB 289 is a sunset                                                               
bill  which  deals  with the  Special  Education  Service  Agency                                                               
(SESA).   This agency was created  by the legislature in  1985 to                                                               
help remote school districts provide  necessary services that are                                                               
required of them  from the federal government.   For instance, if                                                               
a school district has one blind  child or one deaf child, instead                                                               
of having  to hire those  specialists and duplicate  services the                                                               
SESA agency  will come in and  help to provide services  to those                                                               
children.    She  explained  that  this  would  help  the  school                                                               
districts  avoid  costly  residential   programs  that  would  be                                                               
required.   Ms.  Tupou  pointed  out that  there  are letters  of                                                               
support in  the members'  packets from  every school  district in                                                               
the state.   This  bill would  extend the  sunset of  this agency                                                               
another nine years, she added.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR GATTO  asked Mr.  Robinson to comment  on the  extension of                                                               
the sunset  date and  the reason  for the  long extension  of the                                                               
SESA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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CHRIS  ROBINSON, Executive  Director,  Special Education  Service                                                               
Agency, testified  in support  of SB  289 and  answered questions                                                               
from the  members.  He  explained that the last  authorization of                                                               
the agency was  for a nine-year period.  In  the 1994 performance                                                               
review of  the agency, the fourth  since it was created  1986, it                                                               
was  recommended that  either a  ten-year period  or the  removal                                                               
from  the  sunset  provision  be   implemented,  he  said.    The                                                               
legislature  decided to  go with  a nine-year  authorization that                                                               
comes to an end  in June of this year.   Mr. Robinson pointed out                                                               
that the  current performance review has  recommended a four-year                                                               
period  of authorization,  which is  the statutory  maximum under                                                               
the sunset law as it is written.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBINSON  said the  agency's  perspective  of the  four-year                                                               
authorization  has  three  downsides.     One  is  immediate  and                                                               
profound and that is the  agency's ability to recruit very scarce                                                               
specialists into the  organization.  All but two  hires since the                                                               
agency was  formed have  been out of  state hires,  he explained.                                                               
He  told  the members  that  it  is  not  realistic for  SESA  to                                                               
persuade a  highly trained and  experienced specialist in  a low-                                                               
instance  disability to  come to  Alaska with  an indefinite  and                                                               
short-term future.   Mr. Robinson  said that the agency  can only                                                               
be effective to the degree that the positions are filled.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON told  the members that second  recommendation of the                                                               
performance review  is long-term  in nature.   The recommendation                                                               
is to expand  upon the funding, activities, and  the influence of                                                               
the  agency.   He  stated that  a  four-year authorization  would                                                               
degrade the agency's ability to pursue those recommendations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON  spoke to  the third  recommendation by  saying that                                                               
the  statute  establishing  SESA requires  specialized  reporting                                                               
requirements from the  agency to the Department  of Education and                                                               
Early Development.   One of  those reports is the  state's single                                                               
audit report which is an  annual independent audit that meets the                                                               
requirements of the state's Single  Audit Act.  He summarized his                                                               
comments by saying that the agency  has asked for the same period                                                               
of reauthorization as provided by the legislature.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  commented  that  he is  supportive  of  the                                                               
agency.  He asked why not  delete the sunset date.  He questioned                                                               
why there  is a zero fiscal  note because he is  sure this agency                                                               
costs money.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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MS. TUPOU responded that initially  there was a lot of discussion                                                               
about removing  the sunset provision.   She explained  that there                                                               
would  be  many   logistical  details  that  would   need  to  be                                                               
addressed, such as  how the agency would  incorporate itself into                                                               
other departments  and the authority structure  that would exist.                                                               
It was  decided to put  forth a nine-year authorization  and work                                                               
on legislation which  would remove the sunset in  the future, she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   GATTO  suggested   that  there   is  nothing   preventing                                                               
legislation coming forward at any  time which would eliminate the                                                               
sunset provision.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. TUPOU replied that is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked what agency SESA is in now.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON responded that the  statute created SESA as a public                                                               
organization.   He characterized  the agency  as semi-autonomous.                                                               
He explained  that SESA  is a public  corporation similar  to the                                                               
Alaska Railroad.  Mr. Robinson told  the members that there is an                                                               
administrative connection  with the  Department of  Education and                                                               
Early Development, but  a separate board of  directors that under                                                               
statute  is the  Governor's Council  on Disabilities  and Special                                                               
Education.   On  one  hand there  is the  funding  stream in  the                                                               
statute that comes through the  Department of Education and Early                                                               
Development budget unit, but on  the other hand the governance is                                                               
through  the  Governor's  Council  on  Disabilities  and  Special                                                               
Education  is technically  through the  Department of  Health and                                                               
Social Services.   Mr. Robinson summarized that it  is small, but                                                               
complex.  He  told the members that SESA agrees  with the sponsor                                                               
that there  are issues  related to removing  the sunset  that the                                                               
agency would  like to be proactive  in addressing.  He  said that                                                               
there  needs to  be a  plan  with respect  to accountability  and                                                               
reporting  relationships  prior  to the  sunset  provision  being                                                               
removed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. TUPOU  reiterated that  the removal  of the  sunset provision                                                               
will be addressed at a later time.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  GARA commented  that by  agreeing to  a nine-year                                                               
sunset, the agency  will be autonomous as it is  now.  He pointed                                                               
out  that the  governor  can restructure  the  agency through  an                                                               
executive order.   He  told the  members that he  does not  see a                                                               
substantive downside on removing the sunset provision.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0911                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON moved  to report HB 289, Version  A, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA objected for purposes of amending the bill.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON withdrew  his motion to move HB  289 out of                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA moved  conceptual  Amendment  1 which  would                                                               
continue the SESA and remove the sunset date.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR GATTO  objected.  He stated  that he believes it  is SESA's                                                               
intention to  specifically deal with  that issue later.   He told                                                               
the members he would like to defer to the agency's preference.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE WILSON commented that  she supports SESA and would                                                               
support removing the  sunset provision.  However,  she would like                                                               
to know how this action would affect the agency.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON pointed  out  that Mr.  Robinson told  the                                                               
members that  the agency  would like to  come to  the legislature                                                               
with  a plan  before proceeding  with the  removal of  the sunset                                                               
provision.    He  commented  that  is why  he  would  oppose  the                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE  GARA responded  that  he has  still  not heard  a                                                               
substantive reason  why the  sunset should not  be removed.   The                                                               
idea of a plan was put forth, but  not knowing what it is, or why                                                               
it is important, is not a valid argument, he said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked  Mr. Robinson how this  amendment would effect                                                               
SESA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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MR. ROBINSON replied  that there are a number  of alternatives in                                                               
terms of  the removal  from sunset.   The  simplest one  would be                                                               
where the  date would simply  be stricken  and it would  not then                                                               
address   any   of   the   structural   features,   funding,   or                                                               
administrative  relationships  of the  agency.    That would  all                                                               
remain  the status  quo, he  said.   Mr. Robinson  explained that                                                               
there  have been  discussions  that  include some  administrative                                                               
relationships  with   the  administration   that  do   not  exist                                                               
currently.   He  told the  members  that the  primary reason  the                                                               
sponsor  and  SESA agreed  with  this  approach  had to  do  with                                                               
timing.    The  procedures  relative to  the  sunset  performance                                                               
review did  not wind down until  the middle of February  with the                                                               
release of  the report.   He reiterated  that the decision  to go                                                               
with the status quo was one of timing.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GATTO   commented  that  he  sees   Representative  Gara's                                                               
interest in  this, but he told  the members that he  is reluctant                                                               
to over rule the sponsor's  desire to maintain a restriction when                                                               
it  is  unlikely anyone  would  object  to  a sunset  and  moving                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote  was taken.   Representatives Gara  and Kapsner                                                               
voted in  favor of Amendment  1.  Representatives  Gatto, Seaton,                                                               
Ogg, Wilson, and  Wolf voted against it.   Therefore, Amendment 1                                                               
failed to be adopted by  the House Special Committee on Education                                                               
by a vote of 2-5.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1258                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to  report SB  289 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  SB 289 was reported out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Education.                                                                                           

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